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A weekly conversation about design process and culture. Hosted by Marshall Bock and Brian Lovin.

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414: Memorable Software Moments

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This week, we recall our most recent “wow� moments with the products in our lives. What are yours? In The Sidebar, we talk about different loading state strategies and their impact on the user experience.

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Main Topic:

This week, we recall our most recent “wow� moments with the products in our lives. What are yours?

Cool Things:

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413: Design Mentorship

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This week, we talk about design mentorship: what does an effective mentor do, how to find a mentor, how to avoid giving bad career advice, and more. In The Sidebar, we talk about obsessing over the pixels, wasting time on unimportant details, and how to tell the difference between polish and procrastination.

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Plume empowers a billion smart devices in homes and small businesses through a suite of adaptive WiFi, AI security, and parental control. They're hiring product designers to build the future of smart home services. They're hiring product designers with 2-5 years of experience shipping products — learn more at designdetails.fm/plume. Oh, and they just raised a $270m series E, so now's the time!

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Follow Up:

  • Manny asks on Twitter: Curious, how much time do you guys usually spend on side projects a day/week? Whenever I work on side projects, I always feel guilty of not spending time with my other half, friends and pets because we haven’t seen each other for a whole day usually
    • Probably...10-20 hours per week, on a good week? Huge caveat: we don’t have kids.
  • Siddharth agreed with Marshall about when to ship: sure you can ship fast and often (i try) and you’ll quickly learn what you didnt know w/ feedback 10/10. but there are some things that only click ✨ when you’re chasing that last 5%, someone else can’t do that click for you

Main Topic:

This week, we talk about design mentorship: what does an effective mentor do, how to find a mentor, how to avoid giving bad career advice, and more.

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Amplosion and Achoo from Christian Selig (the creator of the Apollo Reddit app, which we love). These are using the new Safari extension APIs that are new in iOS 15! Amplosion automatically redirects away from AMP pages on Google, and Achoo lets you inspect the HTML of a page on your phone.
  • Marshall shared 14 by Peter Clines, the next entry in Marshall’s Book Club. More recommendations from Peter Clines: The Fold and Paradox Bound.

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412: Side Project Perfectionism

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This week, we talk about how we combat perfectionism in our side projects, the value of shipping, and why sharing a project too early can backfire. In the Sidebar, we recap Apple’s September event with our hot takes and spicy opinions.

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Plume empowers a billion smart devices in homes and small businesses through a suite of adaptive WiFi, AI security, and parental control. They're hiring product designers to build the future of smart home services. They're hiring product designers with 2-5 years of experience shipping products — learn more at designdetails.fm/plume. Oh, and they just raised a $270m series E, so now's the time!

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  • Stevie Rodger
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The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.

Main Topic:

This week, we talk about how we combat perfectionism in our side projects, the value of shipping, and why sharing a project too early can backfire.

Would love to know your thoughts on tackling progress over perfection especially in the product design world.

I know Marshall doesn't want to publish anything which isn't perfect to his eyes but the issue is that I'm not as nearly as good as Marshall 😭, so it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on overcoming this.

Whenever I work on my portfolio or a case study, I can't help but get stuck or held up on details to make it perfect. Although I try to focus on the progress and ignore the perfection part, the OCD makes me so frustrated to the point I eventually go back and fix those issues and end up delaying what I wanted to finish further.

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Cometeer, the best dang coffee you’ll ever have. Click the link to save $25.
  • Marshall shared Infinite by Jeremy Robinson, which has a new sequel out for any sci-fi fans among you!

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411: Follow-upisode

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This week, we follow up on last week’s conversation about designing at agencies, hiring contractors, Yelp’s app icons, and Bock’s Constant. In the Sidebar, we talk about designing with your mind’s eye and how learning to brain-prototype will help fast-track your growth as a designer.

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Main Topic:

This week, we follow up on last week’s conversation about designing at agencies, hiring contractors, Yelp’s app icons, and Bock’s Constant.

  • Brian Leach followed up and talked about how in-house designers might experience creative atrophy.
  • Raffaele asked when a product company should hire an external agency.
  • Genghis Mendoza sent over some advantages to working at an agency:
    1. Build your strategic business skill set, working with strategists, engagement managers and clients, you develop new views of what your designs do to impact the client's business.
    2. Build your soft skills (consultant muscle): being able to articulate your designs, learning to work with a variety of different stakeholders. broaden your audience, from c-level to non-product people.
    3. Exercise your design rigor, strengthen your process, or become nimble and adjust your process depending on the engagement.
    4. Improve research skills as you develop patterns to learn quickly and delve into new verticals, markets and problems.
    5. Facilitation skills improve: practice techniques and you build up your playbook of strategies, to diverge, bring people to consensus, and all the things you need to make clients a part of the design thinking process.
    6. Breadth of verticals, developing a wider lens to learn more patterns from different industries, learning new problems and solving for them.
    7. Since you are in a strategic mindset most of the time, you're always searching for possibilities, trends, and begin to develop a futurist mindset, as you are designing for the art of the possible. I think this is a skill set you can also learn in-house, but as a consultant the path is more attuned to lend to this behavior. Using the RPG metaphor, this is the specialization in the skills tree.
  • Uhl Albert noticed that Yelp’s app icons on Android are better, dropping the Yelp label from the icon itself.
  • Derek Shirk asked about “Bach’s contantâ€� — easy typo to hear. We call it “Bock’s Constantâ€� aka Marshall’s Law of UX: “People don’t fucking read.â€�

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Hearthstone Battlegrounds, a fun variant of Hearthstone’s card game mechanics that levels the playing field and has infinite variability. It’s really fun!
  • Marshall shared The Fold by Peter Cline, a fun sci-fi read with a buck-wild ending.

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410: Agency vs In-House Design

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This week, we compare agency vs. in-house design work, dissect the tradeoffs, and share interview tips for anyone moving from an agency to a product company. In The Sidebar, we share our favorite Keynote tips and tricks and our top strategy for telling a more clear story in a deck.

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Plume empowers a billion smart devices in homes and small businesses through a suite of adaptive WiFi, AI security, and parental control. They're hiring product designers to build the future of smart home services. They're hiring product designers with 2-5 years of experience shipping products — learn more at designdetails.fm/plume. Oh, and they just raised a $270m series E, so now's the time!

The Sidebar:

The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.

Main Topic:

This week, we compare agency vs. in-house design work, dissect the tradeoffs, and share interview tips for anyone moving from an agency to a product company.

  • Brian Leach asks on Twitter: have you dudes done an episode on in-house design vs agency work? Would love some perspective on different ways to think about that dilemma

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Dave on FX/Hulu. Push through S2E3 if it’s not your thing, the rest of the season ends on a high note.
  • Marshall shared Y the Last Man, upcoming on Hulu. Based on the trailer, the show looks true to the comics but we’ll have to see when it comes out!

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409: Twitter’s Follow Button

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This week, we talk about Twitter’s new follow buttons. Are they a mistake? Or a fix for something broken that we’d all become used to? Our opinions on buttons emerge! In The Sidebar, we talk about what to do with time off.

Sponsor:

  • Baronfig makes tools for thinkers: guided journals, simple notebooks, writing instruments, bags, desk organizers, travel accessories, and more. Their products are beautiful, functional, and simple — we use them and love them. Use the promo code DESIGNDETAILS21 to get 20% off your purchase of $50 or more.

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Plume empowers a billion smart devices in homes and small businesses through a suite of adaptive WiFi, AI security, and parental control. They're hiring product designers to build the future of smart home services. They're hiring product designers with 2-5 years of experience shipping products — learn more at designdetails.fm/plume. Oh, and they just raised a $270m series E, so now's the time!

The Sidebar:

The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.

Main Topic:

This week, we talk about Twitter’s new follow buttons. Are they a mistake? Or a fix for something broken that we’d all become used to? Our opinions on buttons emerge!

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared The White Lotus, a social satire set over the course of a week-long vacation in Hawaii. The tension is real, and it’s good!
  • Marshall shared 100 Foot Wave, a six-part miniseries on HBO about the decade-long odyssey of surfing pioneer Garrett McNamara who dreams of conquering a 100 foot wave.

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408: News Desk, Vol. 2

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This week, we talk about Yelp’s new logo and app icons, Apple’s new child safety initiatives, and the miniature masterpieces of the Olympic pictograms. In the Sidebar, we curate practical negotiation tips, strategies, and concepts to help you through a job change.

Sponsor:

  • Baronfig makes tools for thinkers: guided journals, simple notebooks, writing instruments, bags, desk organizers, travel accessories, and more. Their products are beautiful, functional, and simple — we use them and love them. Use the promo code DESIGNDETAILS21 to get 20% off your purchase of $50 or more.

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Plume empowers a billion smart devices in homes and small businesses through a suite of adaptive WiFi, AI security, and parental control. They're hiring product designers to build the future of smart home services. They're hiring product designers with 2-5 years of experience shipping products — learn more at designdetails.fm/plume. Oh, and they just raised a $270m series E, so now's the time!

The Sidebar:

The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.

Main Topic:

This week, we talk about Yelp’s new logo and app icons, Apple’s new child safety initiatives, and the miniature masterpieces of the Olympic pictograms.

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared The Suicide Squad, the new James Gunn remake of the 2016 flop. It was fun! If you’re into R-rated superhero movies, this will be right up your alley.
  • Marshall shared Billie Eilish, Happier Than Ever (album link). Don’t stop reminding Marshall that he’s a Billie Eilish hipster!

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407: Pixel 6

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This week, we talk about the new Pixel 6 announcement, how it stacks up against the competition, and what we’re most excited about. In The Sidebar, we share our design regrets: things we shipped that ended up being mistakes in hindsight.

Sponsor:

  • Baronfig makes tools for thinkers: guided journals, simple notebooks, writing instruments, bags, desk organizers, travel accessories, and more. Their products are beautiful, functional, and simple – we use them and love them. Use the promo code DESIGNDETAILS21 to get 20% off your purchase of $50 or more.

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Plume empowers a billion smart devices in homes and small businesses through a suite of adaptive WiFi, AI security, and parental control. They're hiring product designers to build the future of smart home services. They're hiring product designers with 2-5 years of experience shipping products — learn more at designdetails.fm/plume. Oh, and they just raised a $270m series E, so now's the time!

The Sidebar:

The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.

Main Topic:

This week, we talk about the new Pixel 6 announcement, how it stacks up against the competition, and what we’re most excited about.

Cool Things:

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406: Who Leads UI Design?

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This week, we dig into questions like: who should design a team’s visual style guide? And: who should break a tie in subjective aesthetic arguments? In The Sidebar, we share our tips and strategies for succeeding as a new designer in a large organization.


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The Sidebar:

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Main Topic:

This week, we talk about who actually leads UI design within an organization, teasing apart questions like: who should design a team’s visual style guide? Who should break a tie in subjective aesthetic arguments? And more!

itaydre asks on GitHub:

It's been challenging to develop a new design system without an existing visual style guide, so I'm trying to explore more about the work behind designing UI when you're not a sole designer.

I've got a feeling that designing UI is quite hard to do collaboratively, as taste is very much subjective to each and every individual.

  • What's your experience when it comes to developing a new style guide?
  • Does a single designer lead the process (in terms of the visual direction)?

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Mare of Easttown and Ted Lasso Season 2, two good shows on the opposite end of the “this will make me feel a certain wayâ€� gradient.
  • Marshall shared Crime Scene Kitchen, a cooking elimination show perfectly designed to scratch every itch in Marshall’s television brain.

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405: News Desk, Vol. 1

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This week, we talk about the new Microsoft emoji, a cool Android 12 feature, the joy of watching Apple iterate in public, and the new “King of Buttons� aka the Steam Deck. In The Sidebar, we talk about the challenge of having work that is NDA-locked, or never shipped at all.


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The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.


Main Topic:

This week, we talk about the new Microsoft emoji, a cool Android 12 feature, the joy of watching Apple iterate in public, and the new “King of Buttons� aka the Steam Deck.


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared the Hot Ones Season 15 sauces, perfect for you spice-heads that want to embark on the Hot Ones Challenge at home.
  • Marshall shared Duolingo, a lovely and delight app that will help you learn a new language. Marshall is learning Japanese, and it’s sticking! Also: this is basically just a showcase of great game design.

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404: Visual Design and Craft ft. Justin Stahl

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This week, we talk with Justin Stahl about visual design and craft, the impact of design systems and tools on the visual landscape, tactical tips for a stronger design interview, and much more. In The Sidebar, we ask Justin about the best advice he’s ever received, becoming a manager, and knowing when it’s time to switch teams.


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Followup:


Main Topic:

This week, we talk with Justin Stahl about visual design and craft, the impact of design systems and our tools on the visual landscape, tactical tips for a stronger design interview, and much more.

Justin is currently a Director of Product Design at Cruise. Before this, he was a Chief of Staff at Facebook Reality Labs, the Head of Product Design for Portal, and spent years as a product designer working an a wide range of Facebook products.


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Tiger on HBO, a two-part documentary about the rise and fall of Tiger Woods. Even if you’re not super into sports, it’s worth a watch.
  • Marshall shared The First Law Trilogy by Joe Abercrombie. It’s grim-dark fantasy, a good pick for anyone who enjoyed Game of Thrones.
  • Justin shared The Ideal City: Exploring Urban Futures, a book which chronicles the design of urban futures.

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403: The Confidence Gradient

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This week, we talk about the confidence gradient, how we’ve built confidence over time, and the funny circumstances that can take us out of our element. In The Sidebar, we share our first impressions of Windows 11 and talk about the growing convergence of operation system designs.


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Followup:


Tweets:

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Main Topic:

This week, we talk about our experiences of being in high and low confidence situations, how we’ve dealt with confidence over time, and the funny circumstances that can take us out of our element.


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Dreamland by Glass Animals. Very catchy, be warned.
  • Marshall shared LEGO Masters Season 2, now from Australia and the UK! SO much LEGO, so little time.

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402: Margin Considered Harmful

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This week, we dig into the best way to think about margin and padding in your component system. In The Sidebar, we break down the basics of design advising and angel investing.


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Around

Around is a better way to video call. It’s designed specifically to make it easier to gather small groups together to collaborate in real time, without all the distracting and frustrating interfaces that comes with most video chat software. We love the small floating heads and emphasis on making it easy to work alongside the video call, rather than constantly having to app switch.

You can get started for free by signing up at Around.co!


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Followup:

  • Manny tweeted: What is the official name for the “three dotsâ€�…? I’ve heard “three dotsâ€�, “more iconâ€�, “ellipsisâ€� and “overflowâ€� from different people
    • We replied: Yeah, it’s a bit confusing, but to my understanding, Android is “Overflowâ€� and iOS is “Ellipsis,â€� but the label is typically “More,â€� so we just went with “Three Dotsâ€� to keep it generic 😊
  • Raffaele tweeted: Episodes like 401 would be great with video or images content! I got lost several times in the words explanation of visuals/patterns. Does this make sense? ğŸ˜�
    • We agree, but since that’s not quite possible (easily) with our current setup, it’s become useful practice for us to have to describe visual concepts with crisp language.

Main Topic:

This week, dluft asks on GitHub: Brian mentioned the article "Margin Considered Harmful" by Max Stoiber. I can't wrap my head around the takeaway. Could you explain how to use margins in Figma as instructed by Max, please?


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared OldOS by Zane, a faithful recreation of iOS 4 in pure SwiftUI.
  • Marshall shared TikTok, a brand new app that is sweeping the nation. You probably haven’t heard of it yet, but you should check it out. Marshall is always on the cutting edge, y’all 😅
    • Byte, what could have been the spiritual successor to Vine.

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401: Three Dots

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This week, we talk about a ubiquitous design crutch: the three dot menu. We examine the spread of this pattern and discuss potential solutions to avoid it. In The Sidebar, we recap WWDC 2021 and dive deep into our favorite announcements.


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Around

Around is a better way to video call. It’s designed specifically to make it easier to gather small groups together to collaborate in real time, without all the distracting and frustrating interfaces that comes with most video chat software. We love the small floating heads and emphasis on making it easy to work alongside the video call, rather than constantly having to app switch.

You can get started for free by signing up at Around.co!


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Followup:

  • Sean Sullivan tweeted: IMO Software can be finished. Think about software that ships on non Internet connected devices. We used to always ‘finish’ software products pre-SaaS. Big examples today would be secure embedded software systems.
  • Charmie Kapoor mentioned us as one of her top 3 podcasts for design and product – thank you!

Main Topic:

This week, we talk about three dot menus, the now-ubiquitous interface element that can be conveniently used to hide secondary and tertiary functions. We rant about the spread of the three dot virus and discuss potential alternatives to avoid it.


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared the Pride Edition Braided Solo Loop, a gorgeous, albeit expensive, band for your Apple Watch.
  • Marshall shared Inside, a New Tragedy from Bo Burnham. It’s beautifully written and performed, but very sad and poignant. A masterpiece.

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400: Is Software Ever Finished?

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This week, we try to answer a simple question: is software ever finished? In The Sidebar, we talk money: compounding, investing, negotiating, planning, and more.

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Around

Around is a better way to video call. It’s designed specifically to make it easier to gather small groups together to collaborate in real time, without all the distracting and frustrating interfaces that comes with most video chat software. We love the small floating heads and emphasis on making it easy to work alongside the video call, rather than constantly having to app switch.

You can get started for free by signing up at Around.co!

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The Sidebar:

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Main Topic:

This week, Graham Connell tweets: can software ever be finished? Most products these days get new features and keep evolving, but I can think of several examples where continual change isn’t always good/necessary. Curious to know your thoughts on this.

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Project Hail Mary, the latest sci-fi novel from Andy Weir, author of The Martian. We both read and finished this at the same time, and absolutely loved the story. The audio version is a strong recommendation!
  • Marshall shared Homebridge on Raspberry Pi, powered by CanaKit Raspberry Pi and homebridge-raspbian-image.

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399: Strong Opinions, Weakly Held

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This week, we talk about how the framework Strong Opinions, Weakly Held can be used to effectively critique visual design. In The Sidebar, we recap Google I/O 2021, discussing our favorite announcements, Material You, and the wild future of computers.


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Follow up:

  • Sam Chang tweeted: Curious how y’all feel about design folks who are curious and interested in non-design side projects. Would that also stand out to you?
    • It depends! But it’s also your life, your website – certain things will just be more relevant than others in a job context.
  • Apple previews AssistiveTouch, an awesome new set of accessibility tools for the Apple Watch.

Main Topic:

This week, Yu Zhao asks on GitHub: How to develop "strong opinion weakly held" for visual design critique?


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398: Proof of Curiosity

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This week, we dig into two frameworks for leveling up at work: Proof of Curiosity and The Helpful Hierarchy. Whether you’re looking for more accountability, want to stand out in a job interview, or just want to be more intentional with your professional growth, we think these frameworks will help.


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This week we talk about how to stand out as a designer, centering on a WIP idea we’re calling proof of curiosity.


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Paddington, just a wholesome, lovely movie that we finally watched together this past week. Part 2 to follow, we hear great things.
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397: Customer Feedback vs. Team Intuition

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This week, we talk about the tension between building what customers explicitly ask for versus building towards a team’s internal vision. In The Sidebar, we talk about the lack of public software critique: Why isn’t there an MKBHD equivalent for software design?


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Victor Kernes asks on GitHub:

Curious to hear both of your thoughts on the decision making process of building features that you’re users explicitly ask for (i.e. edit button on Twitter) versus features that your team, whether it’s Design, Product, Engineering, feels are the right things to build based on the company’s priorities.

User research plays a large part, however, it’s something I’ve been struggling with lately. Especially as I’m working on new features that the company’s prioritizing, which is another process I’ve been removed from so far.

  • Learn more about elephant paths: Elephant path is a name for a path that is formed in space by people making their own paths and shortcuts; it is an unofficial route.
  • This talk by Adam Mosseri, Data Informed, Not Data Driven, is a good one.

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Invincible on Amazon Prime Video. Quick synopsis: Mark Grayson is a normal teenager, except for the fact that his father, Nolan, is the most powerful superhero on the planet. Shortly after his seventeenth birthday, Mark begins to develop powers of his own and enters into his father's tutelage.
  • Marshall shared Returnal, a PS5 exclusive: After crash-landing on this shape-shifting world, Selene must search through the barren landscape of an ancient civilization for her escape. Isolated and alone, she finds herself fighting tooth and nail for survival. Again and again, she’s defeated – forced to restart her journey every time she dies.

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396: Career Cheat Codes

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This week, we discuss the things we’ve done in our design careers that have had an outsized impact on our professional growth. In The Sidebar, we talk about the anatomy of icons and how that anatomy affects user interfaces.

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Main Topic:

This week, we talk about “career cheat codes� — or: things we’ve done in our time as designers that have had outsized impact on our growth.

  • Become “the personâ€� for “a thingâ€�
  • Become a central “connector nodeâ€� in your organization’s graph
  • Learn in public by writing, tweeting, podcast, or anything else that puts your ideas out into the world in real time.

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Money Stuff, the best weekday newsletter in finance by Matt Levine. It’s fantastic, funny, and will help you learn about the world of money.
  • Marshall shared the HomePod mini. Turns out, it’s pretty great – when it works!

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395: Config 2021

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It’s event recap week! In this week’s episode we share our reactions to everything announced at Figma’s Config 2021. In The Sidebar, we dig into our favorite updates and the confusing head-scratchers announced at Apple’s Spring Loaded event.


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This week, we dig into everything announced at Figma’s Config 2021. We share our thoughts on FigJam, file branching, audio spaces, and the updated Figma mobile app.


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Nike Run Club, a lovely little app from Nike to help you run. I was surprised at how much I liked the guided runs – they’re worth a try!
  • Marshall shared TOPK magnetic charging cables, a nice quality of life improvement for all you designers out there overrun with low-battery test devices.

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394: Open Source Design ft. Joey Banks

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This week, we caught up with Joey Banks to talk about contributing to open source design. In the Sidebar, we ask Joey bonus questions about ramping up in a new job, the design advocate role, and being Twitter famous.


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This week, we grabbed Joey Banks to help us answer a listener question. Joey is a product designer working on design systems at Twitter. Before this, he was a design advocate at Figma.

flyingjuggernaut asks on GitHub:

Why would a designer contribute to open-source design communities? What are the benefits for a designer to spend valuable time contributing to these? Do you contribute and if so, why? I can see entry-level designers contributing to gain some experience or projects for their portfolio but for designers that have been working for some time, apart from exposure or reputation, I can't make sense of it.


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393: The Not-So-Humble Button

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This week, we talk about the hidden complexities of a designer’s favorite element: the button. In the Sidebar, we examine interfaces that defer moderation responsibilities onto the end user.


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This week we talk about the intricacies, details, and complexities of the designer’s favorite element: the button.


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392: Becoming a Strategic Designer

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This week, we talk about how to become a more strategic designer: what should you be doing day to day, or thinking about more often? In The Sidebar, we talk about the downsides of using metaphors to describe the role of designers in building software.


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Main Topic:

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I work at a small startup with less than 15 people and I'm the only designer. Recently, I've had a performance review and my manager, who is the Head of Product has recognised that I am lacking in "strategy skills". I seem to mostly come up with short term ideas. eg. we have a problem regarding X, so i am able to come up with multiple solutions, etc. I've also been to a job interview where they said I was lacking high level, strategy skills. I am unsure as to how to develop this skill and think of my work more in the long term and plan for the long term. My manager has suggested a book called "Good Strategy/Bad Strategy" by Richard Rumelt but other than that, he does not know how to help - probably because he is from a product management background, and I should be developing a UX strategy skills. Do you have any advice, or resources you can point me to where I can grow in this area as a product designer?


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Readng, a beautiful app for tracking what you read, and following other people’s book recommendations. It’s like Letterboxd, but for books! And it’s beautifully designed, and a joy to use.
  • Marshall shared Quadeca – From Me To You, a music video. Quadeca also comes from the YouTube world, alongside his own music productions, so dive into the backlog of videos.

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391: Portfolio Review Tips for Senior Designers

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This week, we share tips and best practices for senior designers who are presenting their work in a portfolio review. In The Sidebar, we break down the qualities of great typographic hierarchy in interface design.


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Aloni Sanbira asks: I feel like there’s a lot of discussion around entry level design portfolios. What’s your take on senior level portfolios? What do you think a seasoned designer should pay extra attention to when presenting themselves?

  • We also tweeted the question out, and received some great replies

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Enes Yilmazer, a YouTuber who tours very fancy and very expensive homes. We enjoy watching to find the little tiny details that we’d appreciate in our own lives someday.
  • Marshall shared weighted blankets, in general. Check out this article diving into the science of weighted blankets. Having trouble falling asleep? Try one!

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390: Building Design Infrastructure ft. Kathryn Gonzalez

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This week, we catch up with Kathryn Gonzalez, the Head of Design Infrastructure at DoorDash. We talk about building DoorDash’s first design system, how to scale a design systems team, balancing technical and design skills, how to become a better systems designer by learning outside of work, and much more.

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This week, we have an interview! We caught up with Kathryn Gonzalez, the Head of Design Infrastructure at DoorDash. We talk about her experience building DoorDash’s design system from scratch, working as a technical designer, hiring for design systems roles, and much more.

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389: Better Design Reviews

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This week, we talk about how to have better design reviews. Who, what, where, and when? We share our experiences, and frustrations, with certain formats and processes. In The Sidebar, we try to answer the question: WTF is up with NFTs?


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This week, Clooks asks on GitHub:

  • What does your design review process look like?
  • What should a design review be and what shouldn't it be (what should be broken out into a different forum)?
  • What are some helpful tips for remote facilitation to make design reviews fun, collaborative, and productive?

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  • Brian shared MusicalBasics, a YouTube channel with a ton of fun and interesting content around music composition and experimentation. In particular, the playlist about time boxed compositions is very fun to watch.
  • Marshall shared two “reacting to moviesâ€� YouTube channels: Natalie Gold and Shanelle Riccio. Watching friends watch the movies we love is just so delightful.

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388: Design Tips and Tricks, Part 2

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This week, we cover part two of our design tips and tricks series. We talk about naming conventions, thinking in divs, structuring frames, and share a few Figma pro-tips. In The Sidebar, we talk about design content overload.


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In this week's Sidebar, we talk about how to deal with design content overload. If you live and breath design, this might be for you.


Follow up:

  • David Luft tweeted: It would be so helpful if you made a video companion to episode 386 that shows how you set up and use your grid systems in Figma.
    • Keep an eye out, we’ll try to do something here!
  • Camden Gaba tweeted: Should the vertical spacing between text elements be set by their line height or multiples of your grid interval? And thanks for another episode!
  • Richard Picot tweeted: Follow up question, do you conform to a grid for padding inside a button for example or is the overall size of the component more important?
    • Vertical padding just ends up being whatever is required to make your button height a certain size (e.g. minimum tap target size). Leading and trailing padding can be some step on your grid (like 16pt or 12pt).

Main Topic:

This week Marshall continues with part 2 of design tips and tricks! We dig into naming conventions, thinking in divs, how to structure your frames, and some Figma-only pro-tips.


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Mouseless, an indie app to help you build muscle memory for keyboard shortcuts in your most-used apps.
  • Marshall shared The World’s a Little Blurry, the new Apple TV+ documentary about Billie Eilish.

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387: Design Craft Tips & Tricks

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This week, we dig into really tips and tricks to level up your craft game: how to leverage tools to make faster iterations, stay organized, and allow your mocks to easily scale over time. In The Sidebar, we dig into how to give design critique without having full problem or product context.

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In this week's Sidebar, we talk about how to give design critique without having the full context on a problem or product area.

Follow up:

  • Stevanus Satria tweeted: The next MMORPG I play my character shall be a wizard hailing from the Northland wielding a powerful electric guitar 🤣 Please do!

Main Topic:

This week Marshall runs us through all his craft tips and tricks: little ways to use tools to make designing interfaces faster, more efficiently, with more organization, and in a way that will scale as you explore.

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared the Lift desk stand from Artifox. It’s expensive, but very pretty, and has some smart integration with magnets.
  • Marshall shared Mistborn: The Final Empire, a story by Brandon Sanderson. The book is a fantasy heist kind of tale, where the magic is based on metallurgy and its interesting combinations. The audio book is 24 hours, so not too bad!

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386: Designing with Grid Systems

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This week, we talk about designing with grid systems. In particular: when grid systems break, and what to do when they don’t align with our hardware screens perfectly. In The Sidebar, we talk all about design debt: how to work with it, pay it down, and eventually learn to accept it.


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In this week's Sidebar, we answer a listener question that can be ultimately paraphrased as: How do you deal with design debt?


Main Topic:

Joey Jungle asks on GitHub: Designing with grid systems? – and continues with many words asking why grid systems are often unintuitive, and don’t align neatly with our hardware screens. Great question!


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared the iA Quattro typeface, one of three beautiful (and free, open source!) typefaces from the iA team. It seems to be striking a happy middle ground between a sans and a mono, making it useful for adding a computer-y tone to an interface while staying readable.
  • Marshall shared Little Nightmares II, a beautiful (and scary) indie side-scroller. It looks gorgeous, and the sound design is incredible.

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385: Raising Your Team’s UI Bar

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This week, we talk about strategies and tactical tips for elevating a team’s bar to design high quality interfaces. In The Sidebar, we talk about how to transition from web to mobile design.


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In this week's Sidebar, we talk about things to learn and new mental models to adopt in order to transition from web to mobile design.


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    • Thanks so much for your note! This makes it all worth it 😊

Main Topic:

sallythat asks us on GitHub: What to do when the design team’s bar for UI is low?

We discuss some tips and strategies for communication and finding leverage in systems to raise the bar for a product’s UI.


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared CleanShot X, a fantastic alternative to the default macOS screenshot tool. Highlights: auto-copy to clipboard and place window screenshots perfectly centered on your wallpaper.
  • Marshall shared r/thatsabooklight, a subreddit about props in movies or shows that were repurposed from everyday household items.

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384: Finding Time for North Star Design

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This week, we talk about the real struggle of finding the time to do North Star design. It’s complicated! In The Sidebar, we try to find the digital equivalent of a Norman Door.


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In this week's Sidebar, we try to decide what is the “Norman Door� of digital design.

  • nosam7 asks: What, if anything, would you consider the "norman door" of the digital space?
  • What are Norman doors? A Norman door is a poorly designed door that confuses or fails to give you an idea whether to push or pull. It was named after Don Norman, the author of The Design of Everyday Things which explored the phenomenon.
  • Don Norman wrote The Design of Everyday Things.

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John Cafazza asks: With a typical day being filled with heads down work, review sessions, and all the things necessary for shipping new features, how do you and your larger design team find the time and headspace to design for the future of your product? A proverbial North Star vision for the entire Product.


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared The Sinner, an anthology series that examines how and why ordinary people commit brutal crimes. Not a whodunnit, but a “why-“dunnit.
  • Marshall shared Ready Player Two, the follow up to Ready Player One by Ernest Cline. If you want some 80’s nostalgia candy, this is for you.

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383: Invisible Design

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This week, we talk about “invisible design� – those products and experiences that go unnoticed when present, but would be immediately noticed if absent. In The Sidebar, we react to the new Tesla Model S refresh.


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In this week's Sidebar, we react to the latest Tesla Model S refresh.


Follow up:

Following up on last week’s conversation about phygital experiences:


Main Topic:

Kevin Fernandez hit us up in the DMs: Hey guys! I loved today’s episode ( maybe because my name got mentioned � ) but also because you’ll touched on some great topics. One which really peaked my interest was services/products that are invisible but make a difference in everyday life. I would love to know more of these services/apps/products that are out there. I think it would be a great topic for a future podcast!

Our definition of invisible experiences: experience that go unnoticed when present, but would be immediately noticed if absent.

  • Doug DeMuro reviews cool cars and shares interesting features at the high end.

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Tempo, a hyper minimal email client with great UI details and helps you beat your email habit with batches.
  • Marshall shared Jujutsu Kaisen, an anime with a compelling story about supernatural curses.

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382: Designing Phygital Experiences

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This week, we talk about designing experiences that weave between meatspace and screens. In The Sidebar, Marshall gives a deep dive into using modifier keys to level up your Figma productivity.


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In this week's Sidebar, we dig into the power of modifier keys in Figma, sharing our tips and tricks for making the most use of ⌘, ⌥, and ⇧.


Follow up:

  • We declared bankruptcy on our GitHub issues. If you have a question or topic you’d like us to discuss on the show, open a new issue!
  • Divya Tak tweeted: isn't the philosophy of just shipping but not focusing on details is what leads into lazy products which are feature clustered but soul less? In my experience we can't expect to focus on just utility and make products that people love.
    • Really good point: we don’t view these as mutually exclusive ideas!

Main Topic:

Flyingjuggernaut asks: Your thoughts on designing for phygital and omni-channel experiences?

Some good examples that came to mind:

  • Maps
    • Watch or CarPlay
  • Exercise
    • Peloton
    • Apple Fitness+
  • Shopping
    • Amazon
    • Starbucks
  • Audio
    • Sonos
    • AirPods
  • Medical
    • OneMedical

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Hades, an absolutely gorgeous rogue-like dungeon crawler from Supergiant Games. Truly addicting, incredible learning curve design, and super satisfying gameplay - it’s only $25!
  • Marshall shared Hush for Safari, a simple add-on that blocks those pesky cookie tracking nags on the web. This is also available for iPhone and iPad for free.

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381: Scope Creep

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This week, we dive into scope creep: how to deal with it, how to avoid it, and how to build its inevitability into our workflow. In The Sidebar, Marshall shares some Smart Office tips for working at home.


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In this week's Sidebar, Marshall outlines a smart home setup for people who are working at home with a significant other.


Main Topic:

Jessica Perelman asks: How do you deal with random and out of scope ideas from stakeholders?


Cool Things:

  • Brian shared:
    • And Then There Were None, a wonderfully delightful mystery from Agatha Christie. If you read this, follow it immediately with the 2015 miniseries by the same name.
    • WandVision is kicking off Phase 4 of the MCU. The first few episodes are...weird, but good. Give ‘em a watch if you like Marvel.
  • Marshall shared:

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Ten little soldier boys...

380: Designing WhatsApp ft. Priyanka Kodikal

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This week, we catch up with Priyanka Kodikal, a design manager leading consumer design at WhatsApp. We talk all about her journey as a designer, and what it's like building WhatsApp. In The Sidebar, we answer a simple question: should designers learn Figma in 2020?


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In this week's Sidebar, we answer a listener question from our Twitter DMs: Would it be a good idea to begin transitioning to Figma as my primary design tool, or do you think it matters as long as I'm producing quality work and shipping features at my current job? Would learning Figma help future-proof me? I just need to be sold on the idea and I figure you two would have good insights as Figma users.


Follow up:

  • Divya Tak tweeted: one of the things that I feel like why it's easier to praise someone who just does the work is because creative professionals have a myth that "doing the work" is enough. So we find it easier to praise those people. And I also think (this is a bit darker) but it's easier to be not threatened by someone who has 100 instagram followers but makes art everyday, vs someone who makes art once a week but each piece gets over a thousand likes.
  • Michael Knepprath tweeted: the bit about your writing voice changing - I try to fight this every time and mostly fail every time, I think. I want my posts to feel like longform tweets!

Interview:

This week we caught up with Priyanka Kodikal, a design manager leading consumer design at WhatsApp. Before WhatsApp, she was a designer at Facebook Groups and Ads, a product designer at Evernote, and spent the years before working in the non-profit sector.

In this interview we talk about Priyanka's path through companies and teams to eventually land at WhatsApp. We discuss the design culture of WhatsApp, how they build products for so many different kinds of people around the world, why WhatsApp looks the way it does, and so much more.

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Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Shape Up, a product development book by the team at Basecamp. If you are interested in learning more about product strategy, this will probably be useful for you.
  • Marshall shared The Pedestrian, a creative 2.5D side scrolling puzzle platform. You enter a wild 3D world playing as a character on a public sign. It's short, but only $20!
  • Priyanka shared two things:

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Keep it simple!